Hello people with teeth and gums!
Welcome to the Home Dental Care Blog. We created this to have an open forum for discussing problems and solutions with teeth and gums.
Home Dental Care refers to the time in between your dental office visits. Gum pain and bleeding is a common ailment, yet seldom discussed outside the dental office. You are encouraged to share your experience here.
June 30th, 2007 at 4:42 pm
I’d love to try your product. It sounds like the answer to my prayers - since I actually walked out in the middle of a hygenist appointment two weeks ago because of the pain, and the hygenist’s lack of understanding. That scraping just seems so barbaric. Surely, I’ve been saying, something can dissolve the tartar. So I googled, I found you, right in San Diego where I am. Now I’m just looking for more evidence that I should really trust your product not to hurt my teeth more, or cause some new problem. And not to contain any toxic materials - I’ve not found a list of the ingredients on your site. I know you are trying to patent it, so are not so interesting in revealing your secrets. But how can I feel more secureabout you, not really knowing who you are?
July 2nd, 2007 at 7:52 am
Tartar is a poorly structured accumulation of fossilized bacteria and debris. It is glued together by calcium phosphate salts. It can easily be compared to lime deposits on pipes which are comprised of insoluble calcium carbonate.
How do you rid your pipes of deposits? Scrape them with a tiny metal instrument? Of course not. You buy a water softening system which chelates the calcium carbonate away, day after day without damaging the pipes.
OK, what about tartar? Here is where Periogen steps in. Periogen is sold in powder form which quickly dissolves in the reservoir of your oral irrigator for easy application.
Periogen’s first active ingredient is Tetrapotassium Pyrophosphate (TKPP), a safe oral cleanser found in several toothpastes. It is designed to clean as much bio-film as possible from teeth in order to expose raw tartar. The next ingredient is Sodium Tripolyphosphate (STPP) which is combined with a tiny amount of fluoride (as an ion source) which reacts with the Calcium Phosphate particles by exchanging ions - electrically neutralizing them thereby releasing one or more layers of fossilized bacteria which float away. This process is nicknamed “sluffing.”
Each application sluffs more tartar layers away, until all tartar is dissolved. Continued occasional use keeps tartar from coming back. The amount of applications needed to dissolve all tartar varies with the amount of tartar accumulated, but our experience is once a day for 90 days is enough to rid your teeth of all offensive tartar Periogen has come in contact with, both above and below the gum line.
Our other ingredients are sodium bicarbonate and citric acid which are used for pH control and product delivery purposes. Feel free to Google all these ingredients and you will see they come straight out of the dental industry and enjoy a “safe” rating by the FDA.
The only question remaining is “Why wasn’t this invented sooner?”
The development team at Global Tonic, LLC is comprised of engineers, chemists and retired dentists.
We stand by our product Periogen and offer a no-questions-asked money back guarantee.
July 3rd, 2007 at 4:41 pm
Thank you for your thoughtful response. Here I go! I’m going to try it! Because guess what? I WAS flossing diligently every day.
July 8th, 2007 at 5:41 pm
Ok, I was up to day three with the results looking subtly promising, and now my brand new water pick seems to be malfunctioning - it is making a noise like an alarm clock buzzing, with no water coming out. Do you know of a fix for this, am I doing something wrong, or do I have to return it? (I got it from you)
July 9th, 2007 at 5:08 pm
That noise sounds normal- it is trying to prime itself. Make sure the reservoir is solidly down on the base, you have water in it, and the tip is in the sink BELOW the Waterpik, and turn it on. When water starts to flow you can use it like normal.
If you want to never hear that noise again, don’t ever remove reservoir and instead fill it with a separate cup and try not to run it out completely during use. (that’s what I do.)
These are really good machines and I have never heard of one breaking. If it has broke, I’ll send you out another one.
August 9th, 2007 at 7:55 pm
Just wanted to post here about my progress, since I am the lone blogging guinea pig… The Global Tonic people were quick to replace my waterpic when their suggestions didn’t solve the problem. The new one’s been working great. I’ve been fairly dilgently using it with the Periogen for a month now…. making a fool of myself at the sink trying to master the perfect technique - my kids think it is hilarious! My tooth and gum pain is definitely reduced, I would say it is maybe 20% of what it was a month ago. I can still feel rough spots at the gum line but they too are greatly reduced, certainly less than half of what they were. I’m looking forward to seeing the promise come true - 90 days to eliminate any tartar below the gumline. Two months to go…
August 9th, 2007 at 10:59 pm
How can irrigation get far under the gumline? Most of the periodontal litereature shows very poor penetration to the bottom of periodontal pockets, even when a dentist is aiming an irrigating device into the pocket. Are there any actual studies showing the efficacy of your specific product? Please send or post references. Thank you- Kevan Green
August 9th, 2007 at 11:51 pm
The Waterpik Ultra WP100 comes with a periodontal tip they call the PikPocket. Waterpik states 6mm of penetration. See them at www.waterpik.com. If you have pockets much deeper than that, they should get individual attention with our 12mm deep pocket applicator. We carry everything you need.
A clinical study of Periogen is underway at a major US university, the details of which will be announced soon.
September 18th, 2007 at 1:08 pm
I am thinking of buying this for myself. Jo how is it going?
October 8th, 2007 at 2:07 am
I had been living with peridontal desease for a few years. I tried many natural and traditional methods of treatment. I was told that I should have my teeth pulled and wear dentures. The traditional dentist gave me no hope at all. Most of the measurements of my pockets were 6 or 9’s. I was spending a fortune getting my teeth cleaned and scaled every three months. Still I was told I had a tremendous amount of plaque. I flossed and watched what I ate. Still my teeth bled and occasionally had tooth aches. I already loss three molers and now to my horror I developed an abcess in my right I tooth. I was getting depressed and desparate. But I was determined to save the rest of my teeth!! I prayed on it and looked on the internet for solutions. I found Global Tonic. I thought it was a sign because I was born and raise in San Diego and more specifically in the North County where Global Tonic is located. I called and spoke with someone who gave me a lot of hope.
I ordered the starter package and started the first of August 2007. I saw some promising results within one week. The bleeding stopped and the swelling started going done within two weeks. I have been using this miracle product for about 90 days now and the abcess is completely gone, teeth are tightening and gums are feeling and looking great. I do the treatment at night before bedtime and my mouth and breath still feel fresh in the morning. I cancelled my appt for my 3 month cleaning . I kept my appt for the 6 month checkup in Nov because I can’t wait to see the reaction from my hygienst. I let you know how it goes. My prayers have been answered. Thank you sooo much Global Tonics. You saved me.
October 8th, 2007 at 6:34 am
Evelyn
That’s great news. You are improving right on schedule.
If you are like other Periogen users, your improvement will continue during the next few months. At about six months, your pocket depth will close up nearing the limit of your mouth’s ability to heal itself in the short term. Your next dental appointment will be important in that if all your pockets have closed to 6mm and under, you are home free - as your Waterpik WP100 + Periogen use will keep the tartar and infection out of your pockets indefinitely. You then may choose to reduce your Periogen applications to once or twice per week.
It’s a Brand New Day!
October 25th, 2007 at 1:25 pm
I’m about a week into using Periogen. Still too early to tell, but it seems to be working. Not clear how much is due to Periogen vs. WP + Pik Pocket, but it does seem to be having an effect on tartar along the gumline, and possibly even above the gumline (I normally accumulate tartar very quickly). Could be Hawthorne Effect, of course, as I’m paying extremely close attention to my dental hygine generally in connection with trying Periogen.
Some questions/comments:
1. When will the clinical study be conducted? I see that you’ve registered a study, but no info online about when/how it’s going to be conducted.
2. Did you realize that the only place you disclose that it’s a powder (and not, say, a dissolving tablet) is on this blog? This was a bit of a surprise, and measuring it out is a bit fiddly and I’ve spilled a fair bit in the sink.
3. I found using the pik pocket to have something of a learning curve, but I’m getting the hang of it now.
4. Should I expect to see improvement in above-the-gumline tartar, or am I just imagining this?
October 29th, 2007 at 12:03 am
Hi there, A periodontist friend of mine told me about your product. I’d really like to know more about it. I own a yahoo group for periodontists, hygienists and dentists who like to chat about periodontal therapy and I’d really like you to join and chat with us about this new product. We do have an open mind and would like to know more! Here’s the address: www.yahoogroups.com/group/periotherapist. I look forward to hearing from you. Lynne Slim, RDH, MS
December 7th, 2007 at 5:00 pm
Congratulations on the clinical study at Harvard! I have been an avid follower of Periogen for a few years now and have heard rumors of the pending trial but they have not been confirmed until now. I love the pipe cleaning analogy.
Good luck and I look forward to the trial results next spring.
Marc W
December 10th, 2007 at 4:44 pm
So, FYI, things went pretty well at my cleaning/checkup — still some tartar to scrape, but without prompting, my hygenist said there was a major improvement and suggested putting me on a less frequent cleaning schedule. MUCH less bleeding than usual. I do have one 6 mm pocket that doesn’t seem to have been addressed, I suspect that the Pik Pocket isn’t quite getting to the bottom of it, so I’ve ordered the Pocketflush.
Still curious about the details on the study — someone posted about a Harvard study, what’s the scoop? Also, there seems to be another product called Periogen that’s some sort of implant?
December 10th, 2007 at 5:09 pm
Douglas,
I’m glad to here about your progress. When they lessen your cleaning frequency you are winning the battle.
An Indian company likes our name Periogen and has begun to use it. We have complained, but it’s pretty lawless over there from an intellectual-property standpoint. Their product is bone regenerative in nature. Hope it works and that they find a good name for it!
Yes, we have a study pending at Harvard. They are talking about January to start. I will publish the study protocol when I’m allowed.
December 18th, 2007 at 1:15 pm
I am not sure if I am a good cantidate for your product or not. I had crowns on my sixteen front teeth about two years ago.. I have always cared for my teeth, brushing and flossing daily. However, I have cut my gums at times with the floss and it normally stops bleeding within a halfhour or so. My present problem is I have had some degree of bleeding from between my canains and first bicuspids only on the upper teeth for about two weeks.. I take a blood thinner which is regulated very well and aspirine. . I have stopped the asprine. Bleeding is minimal as evidenced by a CBC. I wonder if there is anything that I can do to increase the firmness of my gums whereby I can use dental floss without causing the bleeding..
December 19th, 2007 at 8:18 am
First of all, what does your dentist say? Dentists are your experts.
Periogen is best used in concert with traditional treatments for various levels of periodontal disease, primarily those caused by tartar accumulation. If your dentist tells you that your bleeding is tartar related – Periogen will most assuredly help with the bleeding. Additionally, minor infections are reported to be eliminated with regular use, as Periogen is also an effective anti-microbial compound.
You may also find that Waterpik use alone may provide some relief. If you buy a Waterpik Ultra from us, I’ll give you a sample bottle of Periogen and you can see for yourself what works best. If you order, please remind me in the comments section on check out.
January 9th, 2008 at 5:40 pm
I have a very advanced periodontal condition, which I have been maintaining for 23 years. I have had periodontal surgery five times. I still have five and six millimeter pockets all over my mouth.
My condition is so sever that I have been spending about five hours a day cleaning my teeth. That includes brushing, proxy brushing and flossing after every meal, cleaning to a polish every surface of every tooth after every meal. It was the only way that I could save my teeth. I have been living as a prisoner of my condition.
I started using Periogen just about two months ago. My teeth haven’t been this clean in a long time. I still have several pockets which still feel like they have some tarter in them, but I think that I am reducing the deposits gradually. My teeth have not been scraped since I started using the Periogen.
Over the years I have tried: goldenseal packed around the teeth all night, olive oil administered with prayers; with the waterpik: listerine, salt, backing soda, hydrogen peroxide, glycerin, iodine… I can’t remember what else. Many of these things had beneficial effects, but none of them removed the tarter.
I am now spending only about two to two and a half hours a day cleaning my teeth and I think that amount of time will be reduced even more when I get the last pockets completely clean.
Periogen is the first really promising product that I have seen.
Dave
January 14th, 2008 at 5:04 pm
Hi
I bloged sometime last fall and am so happy about the results I am having with PERIOGEN. I said I had an appt set up in November for a cleaning. The hygenist kept saying, well its not perfect but there is a lot of improvement.Then as she started measuring the pockets she became more inquisitive about what I was using. I told her but she pretty much ignored what I was telling her. She actually said “sometimes things get better and we don’t know why, then they will get worse again. I told that I was sure that was not going to happen. She seemed to be very puzzled but did extend my cleaning from every 3 months to 6 months. Oh yeah the pockets measured 3 and 4 and one 6 form 6 and 9!!
She is a good hygenist in a limited sort of way. I just found the whole incident rather amusing. I left the office with a smile on my face.
Another question though. Can I use perigen on my dog. She is 13 and has a lot of tarter build up. I don’t want to put her under general anethesia because of her age. I just concerned if she swallows some of the Periogen. Would that hurt her? Could I make a paste with another product and just rub on the teeth and gums then wipe it off? Please advise.
Evelyn B
January 15th, 2008 at 1:30 pm
I have tried every product and followed my dentist’s recommendation, but until Periogen, nothing worked. My gums are as healthy as they ever were. Thank you!!! Your offer of free Periogen is great! I’ll be doing my friends and family a great service and get something in return.
Thanks and have a great day, I’m already there.
January 17th, 2008 at 7:53 pm
Your product sounds very ,very interesting. I do have a few questions though.
1. Is there any risk of Periogen dissolving the cementum or enamel of your teeth?
2.To what degree, if any, can Periogen restore clinical attachment, reduce PD, induce alveolar bone regrowth, etc; on a 2nd mandibular molar with a 5 mm vertical pocket and 5mm horizontal grade II furcation?
3. The tooth described above was recently rootplaned and has been ultrasonically scaled quite frequently. Irrigation is being performed daily and often twice daily with Water-Pik using H20 with H2O2 and/or salt and baking soda. The pocket is also irrigated deeply every day with .02% chlorhexidine gluconate or H2O2 using a nylon tipped cannula some hours after Water-Pik irrigation.
4 Recently, and only upon WaterPik irrigation, this tooth’s pocket emits an unusual odour until it is flushed out, yet the periodontist says there are no signs whatsoever of any infection present. However, the periodontist prescribed 400mg bid each of metronidazole and ciprofloxacin for 10 days. This did not stop the odour which, again, only appears upon irrigating the pocket. Can Periogen stop this problem for me?
Thanks for your help! (I hope I did not accidentally post this twice!
January 19th, 2008 at 6:53 am
This is a first time contact and I have to admit, I’m not much of a blogger.
My story about my gum dilema is such a long one with alot of twists and turns and find it difficult to chop the story down and still do justice.
Keeping it brief - 9 months ago, I sat in a dentists office with two very loose teeth (back molar and dropped front tooth) and infected gum tissue. He wanted to pull them both and then have the scaling done by the hygenist. I set up an appt. to have them pulled and went home and cried and prayed. I’ve always been a fighter in life and I couldn’t accept the thought of loosing my two God given teeth without a fight since the dentist would not replace the molar with anything and only give me a fake retainer tooth for the front one.
I got on the internet and did my homework. I read alot of stuff. I ordered a bottle of the Periogen and an irrigator with the special tips and the next day cancelled my appointment to get my teeth pulled. After a couple weeks on Periogen, my gums and teeth started feeling better.. I went back to the dentist to have him file down the front tooth, because it was hard to eat with it hanging down. For the first 2 to 3 months I used periogen daily, lots of warm salt water rinses, herbal toothpastes and the irrigator. I got the infection under control and my gums slowly started turning pink. The pain and bleeding in my gums started diminishing and gum pockets reducing. Every 2 wks. or so, my teeth would shift. I kept pushing on my front tooth to try and get it back in place. I worked my way to using Periogen down to every other day. 5 mths. later, I bought me a Night Guard and cut it up to mold around my top front teeth only to stabalize my front tooth at night. I also started using Dr. Katz Periotherapy toothpaste and rinse. A month ago, I had my teeth cleaned. Both the dentist and dental hygenist are kinda of dumbfounded by the route I took, but I still have all my teeth with no infections and I never had to take any antibiotics and no scaling.
My 2 teeth are still a little loose because I lost alot of bone around them but they still function.
Periogen worked great for me and I still use it a couple times a week for maintenance. My next cleaning is in June.
Thank You ! for the product. Sincerely, Sharon
January 19th, 2008 at 8:10 am
Hello Mario,
I can tell you what I know. In answer to your questions:
1. Cementum is damaged by pathogens excreted from certain bacteria, and occasionally from careless root planing. Periogen acts only on dental calculus, a loose accumulation of calcium phosphate salts and debris. Enamel is unaffected.
2. With the elimination of calculus, the primary home of destructive bacteria, periodontal pockets are free to close to the level of existing cementum. We have documented pocket closures of 12mm to 6mm, 8mm to 5mm, 6mm to 4mm, and 5mm to 3mm. Not more than 50% of closures, in any case, have been due the reduction of inflammation. These closures have all been maintained indefinitely with routine maintenance use (two applications per week) of Periogen.
Periogen contains no bone-regenerative ingredients; any that occurs is natural.
3. We have tested Hydrogen Peroxide as well as its big brother Chlorhexidine Gluconate, against Periogen. All are strong anti-microbials and work about the same with regard to infection; however, as for calculus dissolution, only Periogen works. Also, it is not advised to use H2O2 or Chlorhexidine for more than 90 days. Periogen is comprised of polyphosphates which can be applied daily – in perpetuity is needed.
4. Deep pockets often excrete “grassland” odors which are caused by natural processes from the bottom of even healthy pockets. After a day or so, these pockets may fester and infection follows. We have found that daily irrigation with Periogen decreases and eliminates this problem, although this pathology is not yet fully understood.
I hope this helps your investigation.
January 19th, 2008 at 8:22 am
Sharon,
Keep it up! It’s a brand new day!
January 22nd, 2008 at 11:14 pm
Hi,
A few comments. You say amazing results within a few days but then there are people who are taking Periogen for months. How can you tell within a few days if there’s anything happening? Does tartar have a particular taste or smell when it is disolving so that you know that it is?
Have you tried testing Himalayan salt brine against Periogen? “If used consistently, your teeth will become whiter, and tartar will dissolve.” [using salt brine] Maybe the salt brine can be used in conjunction with the Periogen if it’s at all effective in the long run.
Sounds like you have a great product that will help people get off the dental merry-go-round. Well done!
I’m going to give Periogen a try as I have one deep pocket that hasn’t improved. Andrew
January 23rd, 2008 at 8:35 am
Thank you, Andrew, for submitting these good comments and questions. Let me address them:
1. The “amazing results in a few days” are from two factors. The first is that Periogen has strong anti-microbial qualities, so infection diminishes immediately. The second is that the upper disease layers of sub-gingival tartar are easily dissolved by Periogen as they are the least “cemented.” Pain from infection is noticeably reduced in a few days after Periogen use has begun. People using Periogen daily for months are completely eliminating tartar accumulation, and enjoying infection-free gums all the while.
Only your dentist, preferably one equipped with a microscopic Perioscope, can confirm tartar dissolution in periodontal pockets. If you own a periodontal probe, you can confirm for yourself any pocket reduction from reduced inflammation and pocket re-attachment. (We do not claim to completely eliminate periodontal pockets; but a healthy, tartar-free pocket will naturally reduce to the best state it can, depending on existing cementum.)
2. Any salt, including table salt, combined with an ion source, can act as a tartar dissolver. I don’t believe any dental professional, however, would recommend irrigating gums with salt. We use a safe dental industry ingredient, Sodium Tripolyphosphate (STPP) to get the job done.
3. There are many factors to the “dental merry-go-round” as you aptly put it. Periogen simply eliminates one vital link in the chain, subgingival tartar, thus breaking that seemingly never-ending cycle.
January 23rd, 2008 at 8:58 am
Yes, this product saved my gums!!! Prior to using Periogen my Dentist
was treating me for gingival inflammation. I used Periogen daily as
instructed and on my next visit(4 to 6 month later) to the Dentist he told
me their were no more signs of inflammation in my gums and that my gums looked great. He told me to continue doing what i was doing.
Thanks a lot.
January 23rd, 2008 at 9:16 am
Tilda,
Isn’t it nice to be charge of your own affairs?! Tell a friend about Periogen!
January 24th, 2008 at 8:31 pm
Before using Periogen I had very deep pockets that my dentist insisted that only surgery could fix.
I started using Periogen religiously in the morning and at night, I even applied some to my toothbrush. After 30 days I went back to my dentist who was amazed at how much the size of my pockets had reduced. I love this product my gums feel healthier and even though I still have some pockets my gums are nowhere near the condition they were in before using Periogen.
January 25th, 2008 at 8:57 am
Sharron,
I will never tire of posts such as yours. Good that your keep your dentist in the loop, as he or she remains the final arbiter of your dental health. A good periodontist may be the final solution to your remaining stubborn deep pockets, but isn’t it nice to have time to make some choices?!
January 25th, 2008 at 11:49 pm
Quick question, I have severe pockets and see my hygienist every 3 months. I’ve been keeping it pretty much in check by brushing, flossing and using the waterpik. Can you tell me if this will clog my waterpik and also what is the best way to clean the reservoir and tips? Can bone loss be reversed? sorry for all the questions, but looking for any answers. Thanks
January 27th, 2008 at 7:11 am
Hi Fran,
Periogen would likely improve your common pocket situation. You’d find out for certain at your next 90 day cleaning!
Periogen will not clog your Waterpik – and we have never had any report to the contrary. Sometimes mouthwash can leave a residue, and clog up the tips. In that case you soak parts in, and flush with, hot water. You will not need that process with Periogen.
I occasionally read about reversing bone loss. This question is best directed to experts like at periotherapist@yahoogroups.com.
January 28th, 2008 at 6:54 am
I was told by my dentist that I would definitely need root scaling and maybe oral surgery. I then searched the net and found Periogen so I ordered the waterpik ultra and Periogen. Two months later I returned to the dentist and they could not belief the improvement in my gums. They don’t want to see me for a year now. Thanks so much!
Thanks again, John
January 28th, 2008 at 7:02 am
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February 3rd, 2008 at 6:53 am
Hello! My name is Ronda D’Angelo, and I wanted to let you know how much I LOVE, your product. I wish you could have been there when I went to my Periodontist, for the first time after starting Periogen. They were speechless! These are the people who drained me for about $20,000 for 7 surgeries, that did nothing for me. I really wish that I would have known about your product before I went through the surgery hell. It was the worst. My Periodontist was so shocked, that they wanted to see an empty bottle of mine, and wanted to know more about it. I gave them your web-site, so they could get more information. They have been telling their patients about it, and also told them the success I have had using it. My pockets have closed up some, and I still use it pretty much every day, at least until my pockets close up a little more, then I will go to every other day. I did get your email about free Periogen, for sending new customers to you, but I have no idea who any of the patients are, that my Periodontist has told about it. I really do not personally know anyone who would need to use this. If I do, I promise to let them know about it. I also wanted to ask you a question??? My second shipment of Periogen, was very crystallized, and not like my first and third shipments, which were more of a powder. I still used both bottles, but to me, it seemed like it may have been defective in some way. It was crystallized, and not powdery at all. Do you know why it could have been that way? I just thought that I would ask you. I am starting to get low on my Periogen, so I will need to order soon. I have a ton of unexpected medical bills–not covered by insurance-for my son. He has 2 more appointments this week, to add to the total. As soon as I get caught up, I can assure you, that I will order from you right away. Thanks for a Fantastic product! It has been a dream come true for me. Thanks!
Sincerely,
Ronda D’Angelo
February 3rd, 2008 at 7:32 am
Hello Ronda,
I have been on the receiving end of those surgeries too; it’s difficult to describe the months of post surgical discomfort, isn’t it?! I was led to believe that the surgeries were a permanent fix, only to be told a year later that I needed round two! It has been over two years since that moment, and Periogen has saved be from the scalpel.
Glad that you too, are now getting relief with Periogen.
That shipment of Periogen that seemed more crystallized than the others was from a production run where we left some ingredients in a rougher form (on purpose). We didn’t fall in love with that derivation and returned to a more finely milled finished product after that. All bottles of Periogen released are functionally equivalent, though.
Don’t worry about you next order, because it’s on us. It will ship Monday.
It’s a Brand New Day!
February 4th, 2008 at 9:08 am
I’ve read your blog. I’m going to try out your product. I would love to be able to read more about how to use your product, as this info is missing from the website. If it is a powder, what is the amount that you use? How long will 3 bottles last? Thanks, I’m hopeful this is the alternative to a gum graft.
February 4th, 2008 at 9:13 am
Dear Dr. Kirschner,
The instructions for Periogen are located on the bottle label. Each bottle contains a small one gram spoon which provides about 45 applications.
We recommend one to two applications per day via an oral irrigator (we recommend a Waterpik Ultra). As your condition improves, usually within a few weeks, you may reduce applications to once a day. We recommend 90 days of daily use followed by a visit to your dentist for re-evaluation.
February 5th, 2008 at 2:48 am
I’m a young woman in my 20’s who’s been fighting periodontal disease for a few years due to a genetic predisposition and past orthodontic work that left my gums susceptible. I had painful periodontal surgery a couple of years ago which temporarily solved the problem of swollen, bleeding gums for about 2 years thereafter. Then in August of 2007, my gums flared up again more aggressively than before. I could hardly eat or drink without pain. My gums literally poured blood everytime I ate, brushed, or flossed. I was miserable and losing weight. This lasted for about 2.5 months, even after trips to the periodontist and dentist. It seems their metal tools just couldn’t reach far enough below the gum line to remove the tartar that had caused the inflammation. I was afraid I’d be in for another surgery or worse—tooth loss (which is crazy because I have never had a cavity in my life, I brush & floss after every meal, and rinse with Listerine twice daily!)
ENTER PERIOGEN! I went online desperate to find a solution to end my suffering. I read some testimonials and purchased the product with some skepticism, and a lot of desperation. It was the best $100 I ever spent! The first night I used Periogen with the water Pik ultra my teeth and gums felt cleaner than they’d ever felt before. I woke up the next morning and immediately noticed that my pain had been significantly reduced (for months I awoke to painfully inflamed gums making talking very difficult).
I brushed my teeth and much to my surprise, the bleeding had also significantly decreased. I continued using Periogen, and within about 2 weeks, all of the bleeding had subsided and most of the inflammation was gone. Another month yielded even more improvements and my gums began to heal and form healthy tissue, even in my most problematic areas, where my pocket depths were 5-6 mm, even after surgery.
After my last visit to the dentist in December 2007, my pocket depths were reduced to 3-4 mm (a huge improvement for someone whose pockets ONLY imrpoved with surgery).
Now in February of 2008, I continue to use Periogen once a day every other day, still working on one last trouble spot which is just slightly inflamed. Periogen has completely resolved ALL of my other trouble spots (and there were MANY—in fact, between every single tooth I had serious perio pockets, including the hardest to reach super deep perio pocket between my back molars that was full of tartar deep below the gum line).
Each night, I look forward to the refreshing, pulsating jet stream of Periogen to conclude my daily dental hygiene ritual. I sleep better at night and awaken in the morning with much fresher breath than I ever thought possible. $100 for Periogen certainly beats a couple thousand bucks on painful perio surgery. I HIGHLY RECOMMEND PERIOGEN FOR ANYONE WITH PERIODONTAL DISEASE!!! FIVE THUMBS UP!
February 5th, 2008 at 7:58 am
The only thing I can add is to profess the deep satisfaction I feel being involved in the Periogen Project! Thanks for the Blog!
February 5th, 2008 at 4:44 pm
I’ve received the Periogen and it feels real good in the mouth. I guess the tartar bacteria aren’t too happy though cause I feel them screaming!
Following up on your comment on my last question. Actually more holistic dentists would recommend rinsing with a salt solution and the Himalayan brine solution would make it that much better in my opinion as there wouldn’t be any abrasion from the salt. But I do believe Periogen is an even better solution for people with tartar build up at least in the short term.
Here’s another tip. If you have an abscess try eating plenty of raw cashews or raw cashew butter as well as keeping the area clean. The oil will draw out your abscess in no time - within a day or two and the cashews taste pretty good too.
There’s just so many things we can do these days to improve our teeth and our health and in the near future there will be even more options like regrowing our teeth.
I’ve had problems with my teeth all my life but I’ve learned to do my own research and experiment a little and not just allowing the dentist to rule my mouth. We need to take the care and time to look at the options and change of practice which is not always the quickest route to fixing it because it demands something of us.
It’s truly a brand new day!
February 6th, 2008 at 3:04 am
A week ago, my dental hygienist informed me that I need root planing. I did some research on the process and periodontal disease and - indirectly - discovered Periogen. I received my order yesterday. I followed up with a call to my dentist to postpone my root planing for two weeks while I use Periogen. The hygienist got defensive, called Periogen an antibiotic and said that the gums would actually pull away from the teeth if any particles stayed between the gums and teeth. Where does all this defensiveness come from? Based on what I’ve read, Periogen is not an antibiotic and seems to be a viable option to root planing. Do you find many dentists being defensive like mine was?
February 6th, 2008 at 7:44 am
Hi Tony,
Your hygienist is mixing Periogen up with some other product. You are correct, though, Periogen is not an antibiotic. Periogen is anti-calculus (anti-tartar) and anti-microbial.
Yes, we find some dentists are skeptical about any home-care dental product, and rightly so. There are plenty of crazy oils and extracts out there claiming to treat periodontal disease. Periogen is often lumped into this group of “potions.” My hope is that a successful independent university study will place Periogen into a brand-new category: anti-calculus agents that interrupt the cycle of periodontal disease. That study is ready to roll pending some administrative activities at Harvard.
It’s your choice, but I would complete a 90 day Periogen regiment and then go back in for another evaluation. I would bet that “root planing” would be off the table at that time.
February 21st, 2008 at 7:46 am
I would also like to try your product. It has always seemed strange to me that in this day and age the only way to remove tartar is by the barbaric act of scraping. Really dentistry has not improved all that much since the middle ages. It is just more expensive. I asked my hygenist once if moving her scraper from pocket to pocket could spread infection around my mouth. She said no one had ever asked her that and that bacteria was all over the mouth anyway and no it wouldn’t hurt it. I reasoned that if I had a staff infection on my hand , I would not probe it and then poke myself some other place even though staff runs around our hands all the time.. Thats a good way to spread an infection.
I do everything right, irrigate , floss, own a zillion dollar toothbrush, eat healthy, and have very little tartar build up on my teeth above the gum but I still have loose teeth. One thing I have found dissolves tartar, is a mild rinse of apple cider vinegar. It softens tartar and you can brush it away little by little. I always rinse with baking soda , so my enamel doesn’t soften but I haven’t been to sure about using it under the gums. It also works slowly. Chemistry is odd, that acid will put tartar into solution and now I learn so will salts. I will definately try your product, the thought of losing teeth is extremely depressing.
February 22nd, 2008 at 3:59 am
Update from Dave with an advanced periodontal condition, which I have been maintaining for 23 years.
I have been using Periogen now for about three months and I have all of the pockets completely clean. I was taking about five hours a day to clean my teeth before, but now it only takes fifteen to thirty minutes after each meal and my teeth are completely tarter free. All bleeding stopped after about the third day of using Periogen. Now, there is no more redness, no more soreness, no more swelling, the gums are nice and tight and a nice healthy pink color.
I want to respond to a comment by a certain very learned doctor, on the periotherapist web group, for who’s opinions I have a lot of respect. You can’t get tarter off of your teeth with a placebo effect and you can’t get tarter off of your teeth with the power of suggestion.
I have a comment to make about the amount of mix needed. When I first started this treatment I needed about ten cups of mix to throughly clean all the pockets and even now, I am going on maintenance, I still need about four cups. Of course I have a larger number of deep pockets than most people.
God bless all of you with a better life.
Dave
February 22nd, 2008 at 4:00 am
I would like to try your product.
Do you ship to all foreign (non-USA) countries?
How much does the 90 day supply weigh? I am trying to caclulate what Fed Ex would charge to get the product to me.
If I irrigate twice a day with periogen, will three bottles last for 90 days?
I could not find any shipping cost information on your website.
Thank you very much for this blog, it is very informative.
February 22nd, 2008 at 4:01 am
I would like to try your product.
Do you ship to all foreign (non-USA) countries?
Yes
Do you accept foreign Master and or Visa cards?
Yes
How much does the 90 day supply weigh? I am trying to caclulate what Fed Ex would charge to get the product to me.
Three bottles ship as 1.5 lbs
If I irrigate twice a day with periogen, will three bottles last for 90 days?
Not quite, each bottle has 45 one gram doses.
I could not find any shipping cost information on your website.
It has it, actually. If you move further into the shipping calculation, International “Best Avalaible” is $12 per pound via the US post office.
Thank you very much for this blog, it is very informative.
You are most welcome. It’s a Brand New Day!
February 22nd, 2008 at 8:47 am
Dave,
Great news!
Now that your pockets are clean, I would love to hear about pocket reduction.
February 22nd, 2008 at 9:24 am
David,
We do ship internationally, the USPS charges $12 per pound. A three bottle Periogen shipment weighs 2 pounds. If you follow the check out procedures, this charge is automatically calculated for you with the “best available” international shipping selection.
A three bottle Periogen set is good for 135 one gram doses, once a day, or 67 days, twice a day doses.
March 3rd, 2008 at 3:08 am
It’s amazing how much more circulation there is to the gums after a month or two on the Periogen. The gums definitely feel more alive.
March 5th, 2008 at 1:20 pm
Hi there! Can periogen be used by pregnant women as pregnancy gingivitis is very common? Many thanks Alison
March 5th, 2008 at 4:21 pm
Hi Alison,
The ingredient list of Periogen is not fundamentally different than that of tartar-control toothpaste. Check with your doctor!
March 7th, 2008 at 12:07 am
Hi,
I was wondering about any side effects of periogen and the general safety of usage. Are there any safety ratings for the product.
March 8th, 2008 at 6:46 am
Vill,
There have been no adverse side effects reported from daily Periogen use in short or long term use (two years). All ingredients have an FDA rating of “generally considered safe.”
March 11th, 2008 at 12:25 pm
So are you all saying that if I use Periogen that I won’t have to sit through another “cleaning” with my hygienist?
March 12th, 2008 at 4:30 am
Nicole,
No, you will have to sit, but it will not be another “cleaning.”
Let me summarize the feedback we have received with regard to Periogen use and visits to the Hygienist. These are not just claims made by Global Tonic; they are actual customer reports to us. A few are in this Blog, the rest are from unsolicited e-mails – and they are all the same.
If you have periodontitis with painful symptoms, getting your teeth cleaned is a nightmare. Periodontal probing for pocket depth is painful – the probe hits the bottom of one infected pocket after another, often releasing pus and blood along with the endless spikes of pain.
The “cleaning” portion is often worse. Your hygienist will try to scrape off as much tartar under your gums as they can, most commonly using “blind scraping” or ultrasonics. Deep cleanings can be so painful as to require Novocaine and sedation just to keep you from leaping out of the chair and running for the door.
Many endure these procedures every three months
Periogen use will turn that around by your next visit. Periogen dissolves the upper disease layer of tartar in the first weeks of use. This completely reverses Periodontitis and eliminates infection. With infections gone, your gums heal to the best of their ability. After 90 days of daily use, you will not mind getting probed, because it will not hurt. It is also a rewarding experience when they tell you that your pockets are closing!
As for scraping tartar under the gum line, there may be none to remove. So your very next visit may go so quickly and painlessly that you actually enjoy it!
In the longer term, it has also been universally reported that cleaning frequencies will be moved out from 3 months to 6 months and even to 12 months.
Give Periogen a try. As advertised, if you are not completely satisfied, we will refund your money.
March 13th, 2008 at 2:36 am
I have this great little squeeze bottle applicator for deep pockets. How long does the periogen stay in solution once you’ve mixed it in water? Can it keep for a day or 2 in my sqeeze bottle as i use the bottle up? How many times a day do I use it? Normally I irrigate twice daily and apply stuff to deep pockets twice. Do you want to flush deeppockets or will just a squirt do?
March 13th, 2008 at 8:05 am
Trout,
Periogen will not fall out of solution, so you are free to pre-mix in another container. Yes, always flush the deep pockets, otherwise they might go back into infection mode. Sounds like you have a good system, tell us more…
March 16th, 2008 at 11:32 am
Have you heard of periowave? Some holistic dentists are using it - it’s a antimicrobial laser treatment. My partner had this procedure and is now on the periogen and she’s loving how it’s feeling so far. BTW I had a huge pocket close up quite quickly, couple of months, to half it’s size or more but I also use some natural remedies in conjunction with the periogen.
March 18th, 2008 at 1:50 pm
Hello,
Just a word of warning for anybody considering buying from outside of the U.S - namely Customs Charges on orders
I’ve been hit with a charge by UK customs of £12.50 which is roughly $25. This additional charge is actually 50% of what the goods were worth, which is ludicrous.
I’m not blaming Globaltonic, however i’m posting this as I feel that people should have the right to be informed, especially those in the UK who may be considering placing an order - and it may also apply to other international customers too, depending on their countries own customs policies.
March 19th, 2008 at 6:45 am
Wow, 50%! I thought UK VAT was only an outrageous 18%! Your order was only $50! I am open to suggestions to get that number down. We list the item as a dental product; does that make Periogen a luxury item?
We sent some free samples to Kings College in London, and they complained of a VAT charge similar to yours. Don’t know what happened with that situation, it should have been zero. If I could skew Periogen as a food supplement, VAT may be waived; however, breaking import rules could be problematic, obviously.
On the shipping end, we used to use UPS for international, which is quite expensive for our customers and a lot of paperwork for us. As it is now, we literally have a staff member (usually me) wait in line at the local post office to ship USPS Priority Mail, just to get shipping down to under $15.
We are talking with a possible partner in Ireland which may mitigate some of these problems. In the mean time, sorry for the government tax and I hope you find the relief from Periogen well worth it.
One other problem with UK (my favorite country after the US) is that bathroom outlets lack the power necessary to run a decent Waterpik. How are you getting around that? Do you use the kitchen sink?
Best things about the UK – S&K Pie, Fish & Chips in a Newspaper, Incredible Lamb, Old Pubs.
Worst thing about the UK – having to shout at your American brother to “KEEP LEFT!” after every roundabout.
Cheers!
March 19th, 2008 at 9:52 am
Hello,
Actually the customs charge was only about £4 ($8) the rest was kindly added by the UK post office as a customs handling fee!
Everything you hear about Rip Off Britain is true!, from our $10 a gallon gas prices to buying goods from the U.S, we get taxed on everything!.
I think the main problem is the fact that the goods are sent US Postal Service to UK Postal Service, because goods which are handled and delivered by the UK Postal Service are more likely to draw interest from customs. Goods sent by carrier, are usually more likely to get through, although of course it is a 50/50 gamble either way. Obviously the charges for shipping via UPS or DHL are likely to be far higher as you have already said.
You could also try labeling the goods as “Health Supplements” - after all your product is aimed at oral health is it not?, so I don’t see how you would be doing anything wrong by stating that. Again this isn’t a magic solution but it might be worth trying.
The UK doesn’t apply duty on goods imported which have a commercial value of below £18 (roughly $36), so the only real way around the customs charge would be to buy the single Periogen at $29.95 ‘as required’ although this is likey to work out more expensive in the long run with seperate shipping charges and missing the multiple buy discounts, and more trips to the post office for you!
We can also buy from the EU ‘duty free’ without any import charges or duty, so hopefully if your Ireland distribution chain works out, there will be a lot of people in the UK anxious to use your product.
Sadly, our electrical regulations forbid the use of sockets in bathrooms, probably because our higher mains voltage of 230V brings an increased risk of electrical shock around water. There are however many wall light fitments for use over mirrors which are fitted with sockets (similar to your 2 pin variety) for use with shavers, and the Waterpik works fine when run from those!.
I look forward to using your product, and wish you every success with your business.
March 19th, 2008 at 2:53 pm
I’ve been importing supplements from the US for years and the best service is provided by FedEx. With USPS you may not get your delivery for ages and when they hand it over to Canada Post they’ll tax you and charge you for taxing you. Double whammy! It’s better to get charged more and taxed less, while having your package tracked. With something as important as Periogen you don’t want to wait literally weeks and weeks for your delivery. Once the volume to a country is large enough then you can make deals with these services and bring the cost down. After your initial trial it’s best to put in a large order and pay the price and have peace of mind. I’d also suggest the cost can be deducted as medical on your income tax.
March 20th, 2008 at 1:15 am
Is there any concern for people that premedicate for cardiac defects, joint replacements etc? Thanks
March 20th, 2008 at 6:37 am
Mary,
Periogen is a dental rinse, so only minute quantities are actually consumed. Also, all Periogen ingredients are common in dentifrices, most notably tartar-control toothpastes. Ask your doctor if he or she has a concern over the use of tartar-control products.
March 20th, 2008 at 11:22 pm
I just received your Perio Sarter Kit and Pocketflush Deep Pocket Applicator. I also got your mouth mirror. I spent a half hour trying to get under the gum with the plastic tip of the syringe. All it did was bend. I know I have some deep pockets (8s)in the back and some in the front top teeth where i have crowns. This is why I bought the syringe. Can anyone tell me how you get under the gums with this Pocketflush? Any ideas will be greatly appreciated.
March 21st, 2008 at 7:15 am
Barbara,
This is what works best.
Set the Pocketflush down for a few weeks. Instead, use the Waterpik with the Pik Pocket tip, on a low setting, perhaps 1/3 to start, and slowly draw the tip around your gum/tooth margin with the Pik Pocket actually touching the margins. If you know exactly where the pockets are (like from your dental chart), great, otherwise you will learn where they are as they probably will ache a little with the introduction of Periogen and water. When you locate a pocket, loiter the tip over it for a few extra moments and let Waterpik “pump” the Periogen solution into the pocket. As your comfort level increases over time as infection is eliminated, you may increase the pressure setting accordingly.
Do this once or twice a day for a few weeks. You should then know the trouble spots that remain (if any).
Get the Pocketflush out and practice first on pockets you can see and easily get to. There is a learning curve, but that is why we sent you spare tips in case you break a couple. It is best to slowly slide the tip down the tooth and into the margin and pocket, rather than poking at it. If you try some pockets in the back, but are fighting your cheeks, order a Cheek Retractor to eliminate the interference. The goal of using the Pockflush is to get troublesome pockets to reduce in depth so you don’t have to use the Pocketflush anymore and just use the Waterpik.
Please give this procedure a try and report your progress!
March 22nd, 2008 at 2:01 am
Thank you for the ideas on how to use the Pocketflush. I had deep pocket cleaning done on the right side of my mouth a few weeks ago. I am scheduled for the left side the first week of april. How long should i wait before using the periogen in the the Waterpik after this procedure?
March 23rd, 2008 at 1:57 pm
What is the fluoride content as compared to regular toothpaste?
March 29th, 2008 at 9:00 am
Barbara,
The basic premise of Periogen is to avoid deep cleaning as much as possible - as Periogen dissolves the calculus they would otherwise try to scrape off. Having said that, only specialty periodontists have the equipment to verify what is being cleaned (they use a microscopic Perioscope to video calculus formations; very smart stuff). Otherwise, you are getting a “blind cleaning” that removes some of, but not all, calculus formations. It is our stated position that ALL calculus must be removed or periodontitis will still thrive in your pockets.
So what to do if you are already in the “deep cleaning” cycle? We would always advise you to do what your dental professional tells you to do. However, there is no risk in delaying these procedures if you are in a Periogen regiment, in our humble opinion. Eliminating infection and busting up calculus with Periogen can only simplify deep cleaning and scaling procedures.
We never consider Periogen as a post-operative treatment in the short-term. Your dental professional knows best. If you desire long-term relief from the discomfort of the accumulative nature of tartar and calculus, we are your best bet.
Remember, our product has a no-questions-asked money-back guarantee.
March 29th, 2008 at 9:10 am
Andrew,
Fluoride toothpastes have a fluoride content of about .15%. Their goal is recalcification (anti-cavity.)
Periogen uses fluoride in a concentration of .04% as an ion source in a concentration of a sequestrate solution for the purpose of dissolving tartar (calculus). One gram of Periogen is dissolved in one cup of water, so the quantity of fluoride is very small per “dose.”
April 14th, 2008 at 6:07 am
Hi, I don’t have a waterpik, I have a hydrofloss… I assume this does not matter ?
Also, can I mix periogen in with Therasol oral irrigator solution?
My order should be in very soon, I’m looking forward to see how it works…
thanks,
Mike
April 14th, 2008 at 8:35 am
We prefer the Waterpik Ultra with the pik pocket tip because it is really kind to the gums while drawing the tip along the gum-tooth margin. I am looking at a Hydrofloss above me on a shelf and recall that their tip is a sort of insert-in-the-pocket type. We wanted to love it, but we don’t believe it is the easiest to use.
Periogen does not need Therasol to be more effective. Periogen is a strong anti-microbial on its own. If you wanted to “supercharge” Periogen, add 2% or 3% Hydrogen Peroxide to your solution.
Here’s how – fill your irrigator with ½ cup HOT water, and add a spoonful of Periogen. It will dissolve in seconds. Next, add ½ cup of Hydrogen Peroxide. The resultant temperature should be pleasant to apply. Irrigate along the gum/tooth margin as indicated.
Hydrogen Peroxide helps because it is the best debridement chemical available to consumers. This allows the anti-tartar ingredients in Periogen to work their best. Our debridement additive, TKPP, is a fine chemical and one indicated for indefinite use, while Hydrogen Peroxide is often recommended for no more than 90 days of daily use.
Check with your dental professional with these issues before striking out on your own.
April 17th, 2008 at 4:40 am
Update from Dave with an advanced periodontal condition, which I have been maintaining for 23 years.
I have been using Periogen now for close to six months and the pockets are completely clean. Once there is no more tarter in the pockets, the gums re-attach to the teeth, the pockets are still there, but they are healed over and closed. It is not necessary to irrigate the depths of the pockets anymore, but rather I am just irrigating along the gum-line as a preventative maintenance. Now, I only need about three cups of the Periogen mixture. It might be possible for me to do the job with as little as two cups, but I like to be thorough. My gums are very sensitive to even the smallest amount of tarter.
I don’t have certain information about pocket reduction because I did not have the pockets mapped for about five years before I started the Periogen. Bone regeneration is unlikely in patients with large a amount of horizontal bone loss, such as I have.
God bless all of you with a better life.
Dave
April 19th, 2008 at 5:19 am
I rinse with ACT after using periogen…. does this practice hinder its effectiveness?
April 19th, 2008 at 5:27 am
Mike,
If you are just swishing ACT around in your mouth, it will probably not reduce Periogen effectiveness in periodontal pockets. Definitely do not waterpik with anything after Periogen, as it is key that Periogen remain undisturbed for as long as possible.
April 29th, 2008 at 10:01 pm
It’s been about two weeks since I started using Periogen. It’s also the first time that I have used an oral irrigator.
On the first use I bled in two areas, but since using the irrigator with periogen I have not bled at all, including when I floss. Before, I would always bleed when I flossed (you can imagine why it was not my favorite activity).
In the first week, I filled the irrigator with half water w/ periogen and half hydrogen peroxide. I used the irrigator twice a day, 3 cups each time. After the first week, I have found that I only need to use 1.5 cups (still using the half-and-half mixture).
I can feel a difference. Besides the areas in my molars where I was bleeding, I had bad calculus buildup on my lower inner incisors that prevented me from really feeling a distinction with my tongue from tooth to tooth. Now, I can feel the teeth.
I am anxious to completely get all of the calculus off of my lower incisors because I cannot stop probing them trying to get the teeth clean of any material that is stuck to them. Subsequently, my tongue is sore from rubbing on the edges of the calculus that is still there.
I am interested in speeding the process and have begun brushing once a day with salt/baking soda/hydrogen peroxide mixture, in addition to brushing with Crest pro health toothpaste.
I am also considering incorporating a vinegar rinse before I use the baking soda mixture… but am not sure yet as to benefits.
May 6th, 2008 at 6:25 am
Mike,
You are right on track. We have ample reports that using Periogen daily in combination with regular dental cleanings will remove and keep tartar away both above and below the gum line.
May 16th, 2008 at 4:45 pm
Used as just a rinse and not in conjunction with an irrigator, will Periogen dissolve tarter above the gum line?
May 16th, 2008 at 5:57 pm
We have no study to support that. We will conduct such studies in time.
If you want an opinion, we have ample reports to assert that if you are on a three or six month cleaning schedule, and you use Periogen once a day, supragingival tartar deposits will be less than with no Periogen use.
June 9th, 2008 at 7:53 pm
My husband has bad periodontist disease and I am looking to get your product for him. I have a question though…Does Periogen kill the “good” bacteria in your mouth along with the bad?
He used an oil product in the past that really helped with the pain and the bleeding stopped completely. It also helped with the odor. It claimed to kill the bad bacteria in his mouth but not the good bacteria. Can you speak to this? Thanks!
June 9th, 2008 at 9:21 pm
Hello Summer,
The “good bacteria” vs. “bad bacteria” is a marketing gimmick. All bacteria replenish themselves in a matter of minutes. The only thing that matters long term is eliminating tartar under the gums. With tartar dissolved, there will be no more established microbial colonies, and gum disease will halt completely. This is what root planing and scaling procedures try to accomplish via scraping.
Periogen is the only product which actually dissolves tartar under the gum line.
June 21st, 2008 at 4:40 pm
I am very interested in your products. They would save me so much money and time that I would normally have to go to the dentist. My only concern is that I use the products correctly. Is there a in depth instruction manual or video that will show me exactly how to get to the deep pockets? Even a web site of a dentist doing a rooting and scaling would be helpful. i hope to purchase your products for me and other family members by the middle of July. My pockets are in the 3-4 range, so how will I know how deep to go. My last question is does it hurt to insert the chemical in the pockets?
June 22nd, 2008 at 8:37 am
Priscilla,
Periogen, or any other home-care dental treatment, is no substitute for going to the dentist. You simply can’t diagnose and treat every dental problem at home.
Having said that, if your dentist has diagnosed you with periodontal disease - caused by the build-up of tartar, then Periogen is the answer to your problem. Periogen, when used regularly with an oral irrigator, (preferably a Waterpik Ultra with a PikPocket tip) will dissolve the offending tartar and thus eliminate your negative periodontal conditions.
We have a video from Waterpik available on our home page. Made primarily for dentists, it clearly shows how the PikPocket tip flushes deep into pockets when drawn along the gum-tooth margin. The Waterpik/PikPocket combination can easily reach the bottom of 6mm pockets and beyond, so your 4mm pockets are of little concern as far as Periogen application.
Irrigating with a Waterpik can cause a little discomfort when first applied to diseased pockets, but with Periogen in the reservoir, this discomfort will subside after a few applications. This occurs because Periogen dissolves the disease layers of tartar almost immediately. Tartar is the undisputed home to periodontitis-based bacteria; and with tartar eliminated, those bacteria simply have no place to live. (This fact is why simple hygienist cleanings to expensive periodontist root planing and scaling all focus on tartar elimination.) With infection gone, Periogen use is not only painless; it is universally reported to be pleasurable. This provides for routine Periogen use that keeps tartar and infection away for good.
A concise instruction sheet is included with your Periogen purchase.
Make sure and order a PikPocket tip for each of your family members, just as you would a tooth brush.
Good Luck. It’s a brand new day!
June 29th, 2008 at 1:32 am
Thank you so much for your help. I am very excited about using periogen.
July 13th, 2008 at 3:55 pm
I have been using the periogen with the hydrogen peroxide for the past 10 days and cannot say enough about your prodcut. I distinctly see a difference in the tarter that has already dissolved.
I found your blog by accident about 2 weeks ago and feel that I have found a gem! Bravo for such an incredible product.
July 14th, 2008 at 6:21 am
Kathleen,
Sounds great!
Dentists routinely recommend hydrogen peroxide to their patients, but we don’t like people to use it more than thirty days or so – just a jump start to your Periogen routine. Use Periogen with just warm water after that.
Keep it up! You are winning the battle!
August 3rd, 2008 at 4:59 am
Since your product dissolves tartar, how can I be sure that it will not dissolve my tooth enamel over time with repeated use? For the past year I have receive “debridement” treatments every three months and I understand that the sonic nature of this treatment erodes or removes enamel as well.
August 4th, 2008 at 11:27 pm
I just read about your product…the whole blog. i was so interested that i purchased three bottles. My periodontist said that i might need surgery and i squirmed at the fact. He said that my gums needed to be healthy prior to a pregnancy so i will prove him wrong. i feel that this product will help me…my intuition is very strong. Thank you and i will blog you with my progress.
Wishing you light luck and love…namaste…Jenn
August 6th, 2008 at 9:43 am
Hi Jenn,
Periogen will deliver as promised.
Your periodontist is right in that you must eliminate gum infection prior to pregnancy to avoid infection being introduced into your bloodstream, or so I have read.
You will see results almost immediately, so please report back to us soon!
August 6th, 2008 at 9:59 am
Dear Leigh,
Periogen gently removes tartar due to its irregular composition. I will attempt to display the microscopic nature of tartar soon - and it will be obvious that tartar is simply a loose accumulation of calcified bacilli completely unlike enamel.
August 31st, 2008 at 2:40 am
Dear administrator,
I am very interested in your products, and I’d love to try them. However, for the folowing things, it is still unclear for me.
Although you claimed that Periogen helps periodontal disease, there is no professional literature substantiating this claim and I also can’t find any legitimate recognized literature backing your claims. In addition, for the Periogen, is there approval from FDA?
On August 9th, 2007, you mentioned that a clinical study of Periogen is underway at a major US university. What is it going now? I am curious about this clinical trial.
Sorry for the question, but looking for any answers. Thanks a lot.
Sincerely,
Dafei
September 1st, 2008 at 11:59 pm
Commenting on:
The “good bacteria” vs. “bad bacteria” is a marketing gimmick. All bacteria replenish themselves in a matter of minutes. The only thing that matters long term is eliminating tartar under the gums. With tartar dissolved, there will be no more established microbial colonies, and gum disease will halt completely. This is what root planing and scaling procedures try to accomplish via scraping.
Periogen is the only product which actually dissolves tartar under the gum line.
Since I promote probiotics I’d argue that when you remove the tartar you are changing the bacterial population of your mouth to a better balance. Some “good or friendly bacteria” are known to reduce plaque and therefore tartar. Probiotics are specially selected bacteria that are known for cleaning the digestive tract.
BTW, I’ve been using Periogen for about 9 months and having trouble finding any pockets at all. What a problem!
September 2nd, 2008 at 5:52 am
Thanks Andrew,
All true. I just don’t want anybody to be squeamish about temporarily disrupting some beneficial bacteria while improving their gum health. Thanks for the blog.
September 2nd, 2008 at 6:42 am
Dear Dafei,
We are as anxious for clinical study results as you. Harvard has the fully- vetted study protocol in hand, but the start of the study is stalled on a technicality beyond our control. Another university is taking a look at a study, but we cannot force them to hurry it up. We are considering financing an independent private study, but probably not until 2009.
In the mean time, one prominent periodontist conducted the same study on one of his chronic periodontal patients. The results were successful and the video is available on our home page.
As far as the FDA, I don’t expect anything for a few years.
Periogen disrupts and dissolves calculus (tartar) accumulations below the gum line. That fact is not disputed. The periodontal improvement that would result from this would be obvious to any dental professional. As it is, patients have universally reported dramatic improvement in their periodontal condition from Periogen use (per our Blog and hundreds of e-mails).
At this point, all we can offer is the video periodontal documentation, overwhelming positive anecdotal evidence, and a no-questions-asked money back guarantee.
September 25th, 2008 at 5:21 pm
Periodontal /gum disease affect almost 90% of population by the age 35. So sharing some knowledge in this field is necessary. I would like to hear some opinions on natural/herbal treatments comparing to usual methods.
September 27th, 2008 at 8:39 am
I am not aware of the 90% statistic; I have read the number is about 50%. One thing is for certain though, unless you are a boxer, periodontal disease is the sole reason you lose your teeth.
Calculus (tartar) accumulations are the vehicle by which periodontal disease progresses. These accumulations house the bacterium that kills your gums and vital attachment mechanisms, namely cementum. Killing the bacteria is great at suspending the progression of periodontal disease, except for the fact that they return within minutes of anti-microbial treatment. Natural and herbal treatments may kill bacteria, but do not help in even the short-run.
This is why the dental industry is focused on tartar removal. Old-school periodontists still focus on flap surgery. For those of you not yet acquainted with this procedure, gums are splayed back via a scalpel to gain access to tartar under the gums, where it is scraped off; and then gums are sutured back together. The unbelievable post-surgical trauma and long-term discomfort from this common procedure is dwarfed by the realization that this is just a temporary fix – and needs to be repeated every few years. The cost of flap surgery is no joke either, $5,000 to $10,000 for a typical 4 quadrant procedure.
The industry is changing for some. With the advent of the Perioscope (a microscopic endoscope) which allows dental professionals to see and remove tartar accumulations without flap surgery, even dental hygienists (in some states) can remove the offending tartar under the gums.
Periogen is a new way of looking at the problem. Periogen, when applied with a Waterpik and/or a periodontal applicator, dissolves subgingival tartar with a simple in-home procedure.
Don’t think of Periogen as a substitute for professional dental care. We all know we have to go to the dentist. Periogen use is most effective in conjunction with regular dental visits.
October 6th, 2008 at 4:04 pm
I was also told I have periodontal disease. I used to have my teeth cleaned every six months. My new hygienist will not clean my teeth because she said there is no sense in doing that until I have the root/scaling planing done. Will Periogen help with the tartar and calculus already on my teeth? I have a huge build up behind my lower front teeth. Thank you for any information you can give me.
October 6th, 2008 at 4:43 pm
Dear Barbara,
Periogen will completely dissolve the calculus that would be the target of the root planing/scaling procedures, namely under the gums. In the end, you will still probably need hygienists to keep “the easy stuff” off - the calculus above the gum line.
October 22nd, 2008 at 3:28 pm
Hi,
I was hoping if you could tell me if this product can be used with the waterpik I already have that I bought at Walmart. I was told I have about 5 teeth(all in the back) that are 4-5 mm deep. I was told the hygienist can do the deep scaling/root planing. Is it possible to completely reverse these pockets SAFELY with your product? I don’t want to damage my teeth further. What can be done?? I am only 30 and believe this occured during my pregnancy. HELP ME!!! I am very interested.
October 25th, 2008 at 8:53 am
Hi Tami,
Sorry for the delay.
Yes, Periogen dissolves sub-gingival tartar and will most assuredly reduce those pockets. We prefer the Waterpik Ultra because it has a periodontal tip included. In any case, you may want to supplement the Waterpik with our periodontal applicator which gets to the bottom of the deepest pockets.
Periogen is comprised of polyphosphates and other ingredients commonly found in toothpastes, so it is completely safe. Our special formulation for delivery via an irrigator or applicator is the key.
With sub-g tartar dissolved, periodontal disease will be eliminated, and no scaling or planing will be needed. Cool stuff, huh?!
If you chose the Periogen route, please Blog your results here!
October 27th, 2008 at 7:04 pm
I did choose periogen!! However, to be on the safe side, as I work in a medical establishment…I do believe that applied medical science and naturopathy most often work in synergy…for the best results. I am hoping that the scaling/planing will be a one time thing…and hopefully can maintain those results with the periogen! I am very hopeful. It is great that products like these exist!! I can’t wait for you to become ADA (fda) approved!!
Best of luck to you…and hopefully will see you on sale at CVS sometime in the near future!! You need to make this stuff known!! I will definitely blog when I get my results.
Thanks
October 28th, 2008 at 8:13 am
Hi Tami,
If you have had your scaling/planing done, make sure and wait for a month or two before Periogen use - it may feel like putting salt on a wound
October 28th, 2008 at 7:28 pm
Thanks for that insight!! It is great to hear the honesty!
I have enough wounds with salt in them, dont need to add my mouth!
ha ha ha — thanks again
November 9th, 2008 at 12:10 am
HI i work for a dentist and recently had my boyfriend checked out and it turns out he has major gum pockets… he said that most likely he will need surgery to take all the plaque from under the gum line. appereantly the x rays show he has major jaw bone loss at the age of 25 i want to know would this product help him remove that plaque??
Thank you
November 9th, 2008 at 8:35 am
Hi Gigi,
It is up to your boyfriend, but I would submit to examinations, and then set an appointment for three months out for re-examination. In the mean time, he should irrigate with Periogen in a Waterpik daily, and supplement the irrigation with our 12mm applicator for any pockets exceeding 6mm in depth. His dentist can provide him with his periodontal charts to help locate these deep pockets, if any.
If he is diligent with Periogen, all subgingival tartar will have dissolved in the 90 days, and his pockets should close to nearly their best possible level, depending on cementum damage.
A re-examination will reveal the true state of his dental health, and he will most likely be in for a far more pleasant dental journey than what is currently in store for him.
Good Luck!
November 9th, 2008 at 6:01 pm
IM 22 AND MY GUMS ARE SORE AND DARK IN PLACES. MY DENTIST ALSO SAID I HAVE LOST ALOT OF BONE? PLEASE GIVE ME SUM HELP
November 9th, 2008 at 7:31 pm
Hi Tony,
Bone loss is the result of anaerobic bacteria living in tartar under your gums. This is also the cause of the redness and soreness. To stop this process, you need to not only kill the destructive bacteria, but you must destroy the tartar that they live within. That’s why dentists and hygienists are always scraping at our teeth.
Periogen use kills anaerobic bacteria on contact and completely dissolves the tartar under your gums. If you use Periogen daily, the redness and soreness with diminish immediately and be gone in a few weeks. The tartar under your gums will be gone in 60 – 90 days.
Following that, occasional use of Periogen will keep the offending tartar from returning.
Don’t worry too much about your existing bone loss. If, after 90 days, you don’t have any loose teeth, then you are good to go.
Good Luck!
November 12th, 2008 at 8:21 pm
wat does it mean if i have a tooth loose?
November 13th, 2008 at 6:34 am
Tony,
From what you have told me, you are losing that tooth due to gum infection. If you do nothing, its mobility will get worse until it falls out.